tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-60447999067330985282024-03-15T07:03:45.547-04:00Ask Olive Tree Genealogy a QuestionDo you need help finding an ancestor? Do you have a genealogy question you would like to ask me? Do you want to know where to find certain genealogy records? Send your query about your ancestors to me then check back at Ask Olive Tree blog to see if it has been chosen. Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.comBlogger481125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-27321827909198397312016-08-02T16:03:00.000-04:002016-08-02T16:03:00.935-04:00Why You Can't Find an Ancestor in the 1851 Canadian CensusSharon recently wrote to AskOliveTree@gmail.com<br />
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<i>My ancestor John Davis was born in Whitechurch in 1820. So were his
children. I can not find any census of Whitechurch, was the name
changed, if so, to what?</i><br />
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Hello Sharon,<br />
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Here is a link to <a href="http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1851/Pages/canada-west.aspx" target="_blank">Library and Archives Canada (LAC)</a> where the list of surviving census returns for 1851 are listed. Many did not survive.<br />
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I'm afraid Whitchurch was one that has not survived the years. You may want to look for alternate records for that time period.<br />
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Perhaps land records might prove helpful. See <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/land.shtml" target="_blank">Ontario Land Records</a>.Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-51443810839899146512016-01-21T17:51:00.001-05:002016-01-21T17:51:19.331-05:00Start with Yourself and Work Backwards<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMB-2kRDiG2rv965FgJHFPZYFwnAoTfBHXsBtWV5GCAOP4U2io-duPyprVmmuwYEiD_35hHvHuBj0-geR2bammg9Q0H9TZK2lXdRI4_XUhkJnzE3QEGAGsso0wVadTyfDeinRqYC4tcd4/s1600/ID-question+mark+thinking.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMB-2kRDiG2rv965FgJHFPZYFwnAoTfBHXsBtWV5GCAOP4U2io-duPyprVmmuwYEiD_35hHvHuBj0-geR2bammg9Q0H9TZK2lXdRI4_XUhkJnzE3QEGAGsso0wVadTyfDeinRqYC4tcd4/s320/ID-question+mark+thinking.jpg" width="320" /></a><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">This question came to Ask Olive Tree Genealogy today. The answer is so simple I'm jumping Joanne to the head of the queue! </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>My name is Joanne Rich (married name)<br />
Joanne Bersane (maiden name)<br />
Bersane name comes from Italy, not sure about married name. How do I find out if ancestors were Jewish</i></span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> Joanne - Genealogy research is always done the same way. You start with yourself and work backwards. Gather documentation of your parents, their parents, and so on. Documentation consists of census records, birth records, marriage records, death records, obituaries and more. Ask older family members for details of their births, marriages, places of residence, information on their parents and grandparents, etc</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">See <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/beginner/" target="_blank">http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/beginner/</a> for more help </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Keep going backwards in time, tracing your family ancestry. As you trace back you should discover information on religion and ethnicity of your ancestors.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Lastly, be prepared to spend the next dozens of years researching. Genealogy is not a quick fix. It's not fast and it's not always easy. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Best of luck!</span>Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-6189690555554705022015-12-31T15:12:00.000-05:002015-12-31T15:12:00.048-05:00Finding Out if Ancestors were Jewish<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Jenn S. asked for help with</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>My paternal 3rd great grandfather, Samuel Abraham(s) was
born about 1806 according to the England 1841 Census. I know I should
either add or subtract 5 to that as they were know to round the number.</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>When
Samuel and Mary Cockayne married there were no parents listed. I
contacted the church and verified that the parents were not listed.
Samuel died, I believe, 1849 in Nantwich, England and it was listed that
his father was Marcus. So if his father was Marcus, he did not follow
the pattern which all families followed during that time by naming his
first son the name of his father. His children, that I know of, are as
follows: Lewis abt. 1831-1891, Samuel 1834-1836, Caroline abt. 1836-?,
Charlotte abt. 1837-1902, George H. 1838-1840, Harriet abt. 1840, Mark
Henry abt. 1842-? and Eliza abt. 1846-?.</i></span> </div>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>Our name was change to Brahams. Also, we are not Jewish. Abrahams i commonly a Jewish name and there was a story told that the Abrahams were Jewish until one of the boys married a Christian and they were cast away from the family. Could that have been Samuel and is that why I can't find anything? So those are my things about Samuel.</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Jenn - Naming patterns were not followed by all families as you stated in your query. Some families followed them but many did not. And I note that there was a child named Mark Henry - Mark being a shortened form for Marcus. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">A Charlotte and Catherine Abraham of the right ages can be found in the Hebrew Girls Boarding School, Palestine Place in 1851. They are in the census for that year for Tower Hamlet, St. John's, Bethnal Green, Middlesex England. So it seems there may be some truth to your family lore. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Also you might want to make note of the fact that some of the children are listed twice in the 1841 census - once with their parents Samuel and Mary, but also in Manchester with Mary Cockayne age 63 with daughters Eliza and Fanny as well as the Abraham children Lewis, Caroline and Charlotte. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">A quick search for a few of the children turned up Harriet's baptism - as Harriet Ellen Abrahams to Samuel and Mary on 29 Aug 1849 in Manchester. Her birth date is given as 18 Aug 1839 and Samuel is noted as a Commercial Traveller. He is not recorded as being deceased at that time although another record indicates he was buried </span><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">30 Jul 1849 in Nantwich. A second child named Eliza Cockayne was baptised the same day to Samuel and Mary (whose name is given as Mary Ann). Her birth was 1845.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">If I were you I would
search each of the children thoroughly - see who they married, when and
where they died. Look for burial records, obituaries, church death
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<br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-74765808776800200842015-12-24T14:39:00.000-05:002015-12-24T14:39:00.201-05:00Sometimes You Must Use Pay-to-View Databases to Find an Ancestor Online<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Jenn S. asked several questions. I chose this one to answer today </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>My 2nd great grandmother on my maternal side. Elizabeth Power(s) is her
name. She married William Hinch(c)liffe in England and came to the US
with him settling in Fall River, Massachusetts. I have that she was
born about 1821 and died somewhere between 1870 and 1880, as she is
listed in the 1870 United States Census but William is listed as Widower
in 1880. I cannot find out anything about her prior to coming to the
United States and I cannot find when she exactly died. I have gone to
the Fall River library and searched and saved their death notations and
cannot find anything. I have an indication in my tree, not sure where I
got it, that lists Lawrence as her father's name. I have nothing to
verify that. I can tell you that William and Elizabeth had 9 children,
all in Fall River, that I know of. Mary 1848-1849, Mary 1850-1908,
Thomas 1852-1912, Jane 1856-1861, Elizabeth 1860-1918, Sarah 1860-?,
Ruth 1860-1863, William 1861-1862 and Samuel (my 1st great grandfather)
1862-1927. </i></span> </blockquote>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Here is an early Christmas gift for you... William and Elizabeth were married in St. Peter's Catholic Church, Ashton under Lyne, Stayleybridge Cheshire on May 26, 1845. His parents are listed as Thomas and Mary Hinchcliffe, hers are Lawrence and Elizabeth Power. <i>Source: Cheshire Non-conformist & Roman Catholic Registers (Marriages) on FindMyPast</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">It might help you to see who the witnesses were - Maria Power is one of them. See the last column on the right.<i><br /></i></span><br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-84616374808310877692015-10-22T13:07:00.000-04:002015-10-23T09:12:07.349-04:00Don't Overlook FamilySearch in your Genealogy HuntBonnie asked about her Grandmother<br />
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<i>I have recently found my Grandmother listed on the 1901 Ontario Census
in the township of Wroxeter in Huron County. She was born on August 5,
1899. Her parents were George J Harris and Agnes J Harris born Jan 3,
1875 and Sept 21, 1877 respectively. I was hoping to find where George
and Agnes were born, and when their families emigrated and from where?
We know very little about the Harris side of the family so I was very
excited to see this much!</i></blockquote>
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Bonnie - A look at that 1901 census gives you more clues. For example George is recorded as George Jr leading me to suspect that his father might also be called George. He is Presbyterian so you can have a look for Presbyterian churches in the area where you might find births, marriages or burials for the family.<br />
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You should also check the online Ontario Vital Registrations for the births of George and Agnes and their marriage. In fact a very quick visit to <a href="http://familysearch.org/" target="_blank">FamilySearch</a> and their marriage registration of 1898 pops up.<br />
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George is recorded as born 1875 in Wroxeter to George Harris and Elizabeth Stewart. Agnes is recorded as born in California in to John Burns & Margaret Oliver. George's birth record is also found on FamilySearch<br />
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Look for Agnes in the 1880 Census for California - she is found with her parents and siblings in <span class="ng-scope" data-ng-repeat="value in field.values"><span class="ng-scope ng-binding" data-ng-if="hideLinks || !urlToShow(field, $index)" data-test="field-value-0">Vallejo, Solano, California</span></span><br />
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<span class="ng-scope" data-ng-repeat="value in field.values"><span class="ng-scope ng-binding" data-ng-if="hideLinks || !urlToShow(field, $index)" data-test="field-value-0">Armed with these new findings you should be able to trace the families further back in time. </span></span> <br />
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<br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-76518408158446633432015-10-15T16:41:00.000-04:002015-10-15T16:41:00.884-04:00Look for Siblings Obituaries for Info on an AncestorDeloris asked about her grandfather.<br />
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<i>My maternal grandfather, John Russell Horne, b Nov 1877 in Reach,
Ontario, Canada emigrated to Kittson, MN, USA in circa 1892 and
disappeared from Hallock, MN, USA sometime in 1905 or very early 1906.
Can not find any evidence of his being in the USA after that date so am
thinking he returned to his home territory but have been unable to find
any information on him. Any help you can give me will be greatly
appreciated! </i></blockquote>
Well Deloris you sent me scrambling to find out what state MN refers to. It's easy to assume that everyone knows what you know, but the person you're asking for help might not know anything about USA state abbreviations. Like me. I'm Canadian eh.....<br />
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Okay so I now know it is Minnesota. I would check Minnesota newspapers for an obituary and death records. I will warn you about an entry for your grandfather on FindAGrave that might lead to confusion. His name comes up as being in a cemetery and there is a nice biography of him plus a death year of 1910. At first I thought I'd found his death and grave but nope. He is not buried there and there is no marker for him. So unless the person who put the memorial online has a source for that death year of 1910 you can't trust that information.<br />
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I see that in 1920 his wife is recorded as a widow in the Minnesota census but even that cannot be trusted as factual. She may have lied to avoid a stigma of being a deserted or divorced wife. <br />
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If he were my ancestor I would search for obituaries for all his siblings in hopes he is mentioned as being either alive or dead. <br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-40594634581745305052015-10-01T17:00:00.000-04:002015-10-01T17:00:04.311-04:00Google is Your FriendClara asked:<br />
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Do you know where I might find a copy of the book "History of Wellington
County" by J. Hutchinson? It is mentioned in "The Scottish Pioneers of
Upper Canada, 1784-1855 by Lucille H. Campey as a source.</span></i></blockquote>
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Sure thing. A Google Search for the book gave me the answer to your question. You can purchase a copy of <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B003NPS9LG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B003NPS9LG&linkCode=as2&tag=olivtreegene-20">The History of Wellington County</a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://ir-ca.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=olivtreegene-20&l=as2&o=15&a=B003NPS9LG" height="1" style="border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;" width="1" /> on Amazon.ca<br />
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There is a cheaper copy (half the price!) available here <a href="http://amzn.to/1MdVjLq" target="_blank">http://amzn.to/1MdVjLq</a> <br />
<br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-2714628523518841162015-09-24T15:00:00.000-04:002015-09-24T15:00:00.574-04:00Land Records Can Be Very Helpful in Genealogy Research<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Stanley asked for help with his Vrooman ancestry</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"> <i>I am looking for information on Vroomans that do not go through New York, My history says that my ancestors were 7 brothers that came over from Holland to Canada (not a lot to go on)<br />
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However I have traced my 2nd Great Grandfather back to Charles <span class="il">Vrooman</span> b
26 Dec 1804 in Canada West, d 2 Jun 1894 in Fremont, Sanilac, Michigan;
married to Esther Hoyt b 1823 New Brunswick, Canada, d 1883 Fremont,
Sanilac, Michigan<br />
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I also know that Charles; mother, Elizabeth was living with him and
Esther in 1961 [sic] census, and that Elizabeth's birthplace is noted as New
Brunswick, and that she was born around 1789<br />
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However, I am not convinced by the argument that this is the same
Elizabeth that is married to Adam <span class="il">Vrooman</span> Jr and that her last name is
McCowan with the sons David and James as has been put forth by various
genealogist and on various forms.<br />
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My main reason for not thinking Adam is my Charles father is that the Michigan death index </i></span></span><i><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;">for Charles Vroman states that Charles parents are William and Eliza.<br />
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I however have not been able to get past my 2 brick walls of William's
father, mother and decedents, or Eliza's maiden name and parents </span></span></i></span></span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Stanley - the first question that comes to my mind is how you are so certain your Vrooman ancestors did not go through New York to arrive in Canada? Your family lore of 7 brothers arriving may be quite wrong or slightly confused. Family lore is often incorrect, memories fade over time and it's like the childhood game of "Telephone". By the time the last person gets the message started by the first person, it is jumbled. So I would keep an open mind. Go with the known and methodically dig backwards.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Re Charles' death certificate, remember that death certificates can also be incorrect. The information on them was not given by the deceased and may have been given by a family member who didn't know the answer (but thought they did) or by a family doctor. You do not know how accurate that information is. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><b>1851 Census Nissouri West, Middlesex Ontario</b> shows Charles Vrooman, 44 born Canada, a farmer with wife Ester born New Brunswick, age 29 and son Isaac Hoyt Vrooman age 1 born Canada. Also living with them are Benjamin Hoyt, 71 born USA and wife Elenor 63 born Nova Scotia. Going to the second page of this census page, we see that this is one family living in one home (a log home). I suggest you will find that Benjamin and Elenor Hoyt are the parents of Ester.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><b>1861 Census Nissouri West, Middlesex Ontario </b>shows Charles, 53 born Canada West (present day Ontario), his wife Ester, 37 and children Alexander 10, Hoyt 8, John 8, Arthur 6, Elenor 4, Gertrude 2 and 72 year old Elizabeth born New Brunswick, a widow.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><b>1881 Census Caradoc, Middlesex Ontario </b>shows Charles age 73 and Ester 57 living with their son Hoyt</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Looking for Elizabeth Vrooman born New Brunswick in earlier census records (1851) does lead to Adam and Elizabeth Vrooman in Haldimand County but you have no way of knowing if this is your Elizabeth or not. My suggestion is you search more obscure records such as <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/uclp.shtml" target="_blank">Upper Canada Land Petitions</a>, Land Board Records and <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml" target="_blank">CLRI</a>. I note that Charles is listed as a farmer in the census records so finding his land records may prove very helpful as you may find he was given land by a parent. <b><br /></b></span></span><br />
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<br /> Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-32616600204721698862015-09-17T16:00:00.000-04:002015-09-17T16:00:03.432-04:00Getting Through the Confusing Maze of Variant Names and Spelling<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Christine has confusion with the varied spelling of her ancestor's name - recorded variously as Grumbley, Grambley, Grumley, Grimley, Bromley, Grumly</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>I have been searching for my 2<sup>nd</sup> great grandfather Philip
Richard Grumbley b: abt 1823 in Ireland. My great grandfather’s
obituary spelled his last name as Grambley but survived by a brother
named Grumbley. I can document the wife Rosa with Philip Richard
Grumley and their children in the 1880 Harmony Township, Clark County,
Ohio census. I found the family listed in 1870 as Grimley in Harmony
Township, Clark County, Ohio. In the 1860 census they are listed as
Bromley in Green Township, Clark County, Ohio. The church marriage
records from the diocese list them in 1853 as Philipium Grumly and Rosea
Hockett and shows them married in Springfield, Ohio at St Raphael’s
Church. I found marriage records for two of the daughters as late as
1887 in South Charleston, Ohio at St Charles Borromeo Parish. Try as I
might, I can not find a death record for either Rosa nor Philip
Grumbley. I have not found anything that tells me other than Ireland
and I am not at all sure how their name was really spelled! I have been
a member of ancestry since it’s beginning and I have used <a href="http://familysearch.org/" target="_blank">familysearch.org</a>, findagrave and the Clark County Heritage Center Library. No luck……… Can you help?</i></span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Christine - Normally when there is such a jump from a surname starting with "G" to "B" as in that 1860 census, the usual reason is that the original record has been mis-transcribed. In this case, it has not. The image clearly shows Brumley. So how does this happen? Say the two names out loud. They sound rather similar, especially if mumbled, said with an accent or by a child. Remember we do not know who gave information when the census taker came around - was it a neighbour, a child? Did the person giving the information have a strong accent? This family was from Ireland and I can well imagine a clerk could easily confuse the sound of Grumley for Brumley. I'd discard that as a variant of the surname.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">As for the other variations, remember that spelling was not standardized in the 19th century. People spelled words as they sounded (phonetically) and many individuals could not read or write. You can get more help with an article I wrote called <span class="entry-title"> <a href="http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2015/07/5-tips-to-help-you-navigate-surname-variations.html" target="_blank">5 Tips to Help You Navigate the Confusing Maze of Surname Variations</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="entry-title">Finding a place of origin in Ireland can be a challenge. One of the tricks I use is to trace the children and find their marriage and death records. Sometimes you get lucky and a county of origin is given. Also look for obituaries of the parents and all the children. Since you found church records for the family you know what religion they were. This can help you narrow the search in Ireland. I see they were Catholic so you might want to search the new online Catholic Parish Registers for Ireland. You might first want to read my blog post </span><a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.ca/2015/07/10-steps-to-searching-irish-catholic.html">10 Steps to Searching the Irish Catholic Parish Records When You Only Know a County of Origin. </a></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">The tips will work even without you knowing a county of origin but hopefully you can narrow that down by finding those all-important death records.</span><br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-1324310014197876162015-09-03T15:30:00.000-04:002015-09-03T15:30:00.077-04:00Search all the Children not just your Direct Ancestor!<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Pamela asked about naturalization records for her ancestor William Galbraith.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>I’m wondering if you would help me locate naturalization records for
William Galbraith. We have reason to believe that he came from Northern
Ireland in 1830, that he was a resident of Rochester, New York in 1841, that
he resided in Ohio between 1843-1852 and became a naturalized citizen in
Ohio, that he died in Portage, Wisconsin. He was married to Eliza Woods and
had 7 children. Samuel is my husband's descendent.</i></span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>I’m looking to find out where he came from in Ireland and thought his naturalization record might show this info.</i></span></span></blockquote>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Olive Tree Genealogy responds: </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Pamela,</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">It is unlikely that this early Naturalization will show anything more than William being from Ireland. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana,Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Before September 27, 1906, there was no US Naturalization Service, and the BCIS has no <b>naturalization records dated before September 1906</b>. Before the 1906 act, declarations of intention had no expiration date. </span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana,Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Before 1906, the <b>declaration of intent</b> generally contains more genealogically useful information than the <b>petition</b>. Petitions before 1906 usually show only a name, former allegiance, and date of naturalization.
The <b>declaration</b> may include the alien's exact date of immigration into the United States.</span> </span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana,Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">To search Ohio records see <a href="http://www.naturalizationrecords.com/usa/ohio.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.naturalizationrecords.com/usa/ohio.shtml</a></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana,Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, Arial, Verdana, Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Since you hope to find his Irish origins, I'd hunt for the marriages and deaths of all his children. Sometimes a county in Ireland is provided on these documents. Also look for his marriage and death records. </span></span> </span></span><br />
Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-90057193273950030992015-08-27T15:30:00.000-04:002015-08-27T15:30:01.302-04:00Search Alternates to Ships Passenger Lists to Canada Before 1865<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Barbara asked the following question about her great-grandmother Elizabeth Hayes, born 1841 in Newcastle,
England</span></span><br />
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between 1851 and 1861. She was found in the 1851 of Staffordshire and I can’t
find her in the 1861 of either England or Ontario. I’ve spent years trying
to find records of who she might have come from, the ship, and where she entered
Canada. In 1862 she was in Toronto and married my great grandfather in
1863 in Toronto. She was a witness to her Aunt’s marriage in 1862.</i></span></span></blockquote>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> Barbara - You have a challenge ahead of you. <span id="docs-internal-guid-afd1374c-0f06-b02c-30d2-d8a2ae8d5e0d" style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Before 1865 ships passenger list to Canada did not have to be archived. There are some lists but the challenge is finding them as they are few and far between. However there are substitute lists such as Shipping Company Records, Immigration Agent Records, St. Lawrence Steamship Records, etc. </span></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.666666666666666px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;"> </span>Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-79590326345522015602015-08-20T16:00:00.000-04:002015-08-20T16:00:00.893-04:00Look for Obituaries & Death Records of Everyone in the Family<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Diane asked for help with William Henry Leitch</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>Son of John E Leitch and Sarah Blagborough in Brantford, Ontario. He is
my grandfather. I found reference to him in the 1924 Brantford City
Directory, working as a salesman for Met Life Insurance. After
that……..nothing. I know he and my G.mother separated shortly after that
date……any suggestions on how I might find out what happened to him?
Have not been able to locate him in any local cemetery or find an obit
or death record for him. His sister emigrated to Mass, USA and I found
her but he was not with her.</i></span></span></blockquote>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Diane</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">I did a little digging and found William born ca 1887 and often going by his middle name of Henry in the records. In 1891 he is 4 years old in Brantford with his parents and sister Florence May. In 1901 he is a lodger in Brantford with his wife Nellie. In 1921 he and Nellie and their son Harold are still in Brantford.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">In 1953 his wife Nellie is listed as a widow living in Brantford with their son Harold and a Mavis Leitch who I suspect is a daughter. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Nellie may have lied about her matrimonial status but it is also possible she was telling the truth. I would look for cemetery records in and around Brantford between 1924 and 1953. Also you might check newspapers for an obituary of either his sister in Massachusetts or William Henry himself. Try death records and obituaries of his children as well.</span></span><br />
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Could this be your Nellie Leitch celebrating her 90th birthday? Brantford Expositor Index: <br />
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Birthday </center>
</td>
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Jul 16, 1980 </center>
</td>
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P20 </center>
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<tr class="altrowstyle-a"><td>Leitch Nellie 90th </td>
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Birthday </center>
</td>
<td><center>
Jul 26, 1980 </center>
</td>
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P19 </center>
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Perhaps this is her death?<br />
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<tr class="altrowstyle-b"><td>LEITCH, NELLIE ADA </td>
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Death </center>
</td>
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Jan 25, 1992 </center>
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You can search for yourself at <a href="http://brantford.library.on.ca/localhistory/bmd/search-the-bmd/" target="_blank">http://brantford.library.on.ca/localhistory/bmd/search-the-bmd/ </a><br />
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Obituaries and death records of all family members may prove to be very helpful Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-6521457018136477162015-08-09T16:00:00.000-04:002015-08-09T16:00:02.896-04:00Extend Your Search When You Find Discrepancies in Ancestor Records <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Linda M. asked in an email titled "Naturilisation [sic] records for Canada for Leo Mason"<br />
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<i>My siblings and I have been trying for years to research our paternal
grandfathers birthplace. He was supposed to have been born in Germany
but became a Canadian citizen and fought in the First World War with the
CEF. We have applied to the Canadian government but because we do not
live in Canada and my surname is not the same I have been unsuccessful. I
would be grateful if you could advise me as to my options. I have been
on their website but the database does not open.</i></blockquote>
Olive Tree Genealogy responds: Linda, I'm sure it was just a typo but the word should be "naturalization". The first thing you should do is check the online <a href="http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/search.aspx" target="_blank">CEF (Canadian Expeditionary Force) database</a> for World War 1 Soldiers. Library and Archives Canada is busy digitizing all the personnel records but even if Leo's has not been completed you will still be able to view his Attestation form.<br />
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Because there were several Leo Mason names (and variants) on the CEF database I asked Linda for more details. She replied<br />
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<i>His name was <span class="il">Leo</span> William <span class="il">Mason</span>
birthday 5/8/1880. He married our grandmother Elizabeth Marion
Newington on 4/4/1911 in Stonewall. He died in Vancouver on 26/5/1955.
He remarried in 1932 without divorcing our grandmother who had returned
to England with our father in 1922.</i> </blockquote>
Linda added that she thought he put Ohio on his Attestation papers because he was afraid to put Germany. I am not sure I believe that but she needs to find other records for Leo (census, vital registrations, etc) to verify his country of birth.<br />
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Also an index to Naturalization Records from 1915 to 1951 are online and the full record (if a name is found in the index that is of interest) can be ordered. These records can be searched by name up to 1939. See <a href="http://www.naturalizationrecords.com/canada/">http://www.naturalizationrecords.com/canada/</a> for the link<br />
<br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-350593362102926492015-08-04T18:26:00.000-04:002015-08-04T18:26:00.433-04:00Read Documents Carefully to be Sure You Understand What is Being AskedBrenda recently wrote to AskOliveTree with this question:<br />
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<i>My grandmother [Daisy McKean] was born in Preston, Ontario [in 1912]. Her Ontario birth place
is listed at a Hospital on Jacob Street. Would you know the name of
that hospital so I can update my records</i></blockquote>
This is a very good example of a slight misinterpretation of a document. I checked<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> <a href="http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-713921-10623042" target="_blank">Ancestry.com</a><img border="0" src="http://www.tqlkg.com/image-713921-10623042" height="1" width="1" /><b> </b>for </span></span>Daisy's birth registration so that I could verify Brenda's statement "her birth place is listed AT A HOSPITAL ON JACOB STREET" (upper case mine for emphasis)<br />
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See if you can spot Brenda's misinterpretation of little Daisy's birth record below. It was an easy mistake to make. It's to read documents carefully. Read the instructions to
the clerk/minister/whoever filling out the document. Read the small
print on the document. <br />
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Daisy's birth registration shows the instructions to the left of the field where "Jacob Street" is written in.<br />
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In the spot where the place of the child's birth is to be recorded, we see "If in a hospital give its name" The clerk has entered "Jacob St." which would almost certainly indicate that Daisy's birth was not in a hospital but was instead a home birth.<br />
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It was most likely her parents' home on Jacob St. but we do not know that with certainty. Her grandmother was the informant and genealogists must keep an open mind as to whose house the child was born in. Perhaps Grandma lived on Jacob St. and Daisy's mother went there to have her child.<br />
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I suggest looking at 1911 census and 1921 to see if the family was living on Jacob St. I would also check Voter's lists to see if the parents can be found there.Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-8774174464043187362015-06-15T09:48:00.001-04:002015-06-15T09:48:43.190-04:00Finding an Ancestor in WW1 RAF Service Records Online <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">The Royal Air Force (RAF) was the world's first independent military air
arm and by the end of the First World War it had become the largest. </span><br />
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Now you can search and download <a href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/air76.asp" target="_blank">First World War service records of RAF officers</a>.
This database is of interest to Canadians whose ancestor may have
enlisted in WW1 as a pilot. Canada did not have its own Air Force and
any individual wishing to join the Air Force had to join the RAF. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Approximately one-quarter of the aircrew in British Royal Air Force
(RAF) squadrons were Canadian. A large RAF training establishment
operated in Canada to produce new aircrew. </span>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br />
The collection contains records for over 99,000 individuals and is searchable by first name, last name and date of birth.</span>
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Searching the indexes is free but to obtain full details a small fee is
charged by the National Archives UK. I tried this database with a generic search for my PEER ancestors. Because I search
for all PEER individuals in North America, it's always of interest to me
to see if one of them can be found in any new database online. </span>
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My search gave me two results for PEER. In order to view the scans of
their service records I saw that it would cost me 3.50L for each man
(that converts to $11.00 Canadian) The website stated each man's records
consisted of 3 pages. I added both to my Shopping Cart and then made
the purchase. This is what I love about ordering from the National
Archives UK website - after entering my Credit Card details, I was given
an immediate link to download the service records. The link is good for
28 days. </span>
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As is common with Military Service Records you never know what you're
going to get. Some are full of information, others are not. </span>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">The
Service Record I downloaded for Walter James Peer gave his name, date
of birth, next-of-kin in Canada, address in Canada and place of
employment. There wasn't much recorded in the section for his
whereabouts throughout the War. </span>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">The
second record for Harold Emerson Peer had a full page of entries for
his movements throughout his time in the RAF but no date of birth, no
next of kin and no location in Canada. For me that $11.00 was well worth
it as I pursue my genealogy with the goal of obtaining as much detail
as possible about every individual in my database. </span>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br />
One caveat - when the National Archives UK website states there are x
number of pages in a set of records, be aware that the first page is a
Title Page with no information on the person involved.</span></div>
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-41902125306174380272014-11-15T13:30:00.000-05:002014-11-15T13:30:00.987-05:00Deciphering Challenging Handwriting in Genealogy Records<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">This question came from Allison</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>Are you able to decipher this Place of Residence from an Army Record?</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> Olive Tree Genealogy response: Without seeing the entire page or pages to compare letter formations and without knowing the country of origin of the original record, I can only give my best "guess". I believe the entry might be <b>"Chelsea and Essex" </b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">This is a good time and place to explain that when you are trying to decipher challenging handwriting there are a few simple methods you should use.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">1. Compare other words and letters in the record. For example in this case, how does the scribe make an upper case "C" - is it the same as the word I believe is Chelsea? What about upper case "E"? How does he write a double "s" (ss) Does it look like the word I think is Essex? You may have to look a few pages ahead or before to get a good overall comparison of letter formations used.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Read the rest of my tips and tricks at <a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.ca/2014/10/tricks-to-deciphering-old-handwriting.html">http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.ca/2014/10/tricks-to-deciphering-old-handwriting.html</a></span><br />
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Catherine Plato (1769-1856). Her second marriage was to John Clendenning
(1760-). Want to prove Loyalist ties for these two. Their son Peter (1794-1881) married Abigail Gilbert (1790-1834) daughter of Isaac Gilbert UE (1742-1822)."</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">My answer:</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text0:0:$0:0">There
are 8 results for John Clendenning (and variant spellings) in the Upper
Canada Land Petitions online database. </span></span></span></i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text0:0:$0:0">To find out how to use the index
information to view the actual petition(s) online, see <a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/2014/03/searching-ontario-canada-land-records-eh.html" target="_blank">Searching Ontario Canada Land Records, eh? </a></span></span></span></i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826551820700504:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text0:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826552914033728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826552914033728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".fp.1:3:1:$comment826471094041910_826552914033728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">You will also want to obtain the petition for Catherine Clendennan to see if it is Catherine Plato.</span></span></span></span><br />
<a href="https://www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/" style="background-color: transparent; background-image: url("data:image/png; border: medium none; cursor: pointer; display: none; height: 20px; left: 26px; opacity: 0.85; position: absolute; top: 154px; width: 40px; z-index: 8675309;"></a>Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-54184780697333328802014-10-14T13:00:00.000-04:002014-10-14T13:00:01.445-04:00Verify For Yourself By Viewing the Original Record<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Jenny asked <i>"Looking for parents of my 3rd great grandfather Samuel(or Lemuel, or
Randall) Goss b. abt 1798 NY. </i></span><br />
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<i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">What I have: wife Grace Fenton b.29 Feb
1808 in N. Gwillumbury, York Co., Ontario, Canada. MARRIAGE DATE
UNKNOWN ? </span></i><br />
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<i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> Samuel Goss emigration Aug. 29, 1829 N. Gwillumbury, York
Co., Ontario, Canada. Son Thomas Randall Goss b.18 Dec. 1830 in N.
Gwillumbury, York Co., Ontario, Canada. Thomas's Death record has father
Randall. One marriage record father Samuel, another marriage record
father Lemuel. </span></i><br />
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<i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Son: John Fenton Goss b. Sept. 1831 or 1835 NY marriage
record to 2nd wife Emma Stephens, states father; Samuel Goss. 1860
census Lewiston, Niagara, New York, USA: GOSS, John, Abigail, John 29,
Abigail 36, Clara E. 5, Ann E. 2, Allice 6/12 & Lemuel Goss 61 NY."</span></i><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">1829 Naturalization Record for Lemuel Goss</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">My answer: <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813622478660105:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813622478660105:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813622478660105:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">It's
important to remember that the death record with the name "Randall" was
not given by Thomas himself. Therefore, depending who the informant
was, it may not be correct. The marriage records however are far more
likely to be accurate, if we assume that Thomas himself provided the
info. Also "S" and "L" are very often confused in old handwriting. So if
you have only seen a transcribed or indexed record and not the
original, it may be that there is only ONE name being recorded (either
Samuel OR Lemuel) and not two</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813622478660105:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.4"></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813623241993362:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813623241993362:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813623241993362:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Being
curious, I brought up the two images for both of Thomas' marriages (on
Ancestry) They both give his father as "Lemuel". It is very clear on
both images</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.0.$end:0:$0:0">I
next found the record and image for that 1829 immigration. It is LEMUEL Goss's Naturalization record, not his year of immigration. He no doubt immigrated some time before he naturalized. He lives in N. Gwillimbury as you said
and the date is what you had. The difference is that the name on the
image is LEMUEL, not Samuel. So you </span></span><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text0:0:$0:0">have three good primary records now that provide his name - Lemuel, not Samuel.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text0:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".29.1:3:1:$comment813579635331056_813686168653736:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text0:0:$0:0"><span class="emoticon emoticon_smile" title=":-)">It's always important to verify indexes or transcriptions of records by viewing the actual record yourself. In this case you can see that there were several mis-transcriptions of Lemuel to Samuel.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-61761264455284187032014-10-10T13:00:00.000-04:002014-10-10T13:00:03.562-04:00Don't Be Sidetracked by Online Family Trees Before Obtaining Basic Records<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">John asked this question:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>" I've been seeking information on the parents of my great, great
grandfather, John Barry. There, I've run into a brick wall. My
information is from a family Bible record that goes back to 1810. John
Barry married Johanna Harrington on 23 Feb. 1840 in Ireland. Witnesses
were Daniel Harrington and Patrick Barry. The report identified the
Diocesan Area as Cork & Ross and the Parochial Area as Durris
(Muintervara). I know John and Johan<span class="text_exposed_show">na
(I've found two spellings for her first name) had one child in Ireland
who survived the trip to Canada in 1846. Family legend claims two
children died aboard ship and were buried at sea. I've been told that
local parish records in Cork prior to 1820 have been destroyed so I
cannot pursue more on Patrick or Mary. Any ideas? I have found some
possible death records on Ancestry.com<img border="0" src="http://www.tqlkg.com/image-713921-10623042" height="1" width="1" /> that I can't authenticate. What
might I try now? John Barry, 1810-1880, married Johanna(?) Harrington, 1815-1883, on 23 Feb. 1840"</span></i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show">In response to a question I posed, John stated that he had found about 15 family trees on Ancestry but they had lots of incorrect information.</span><i><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">1871 Census Caradoc Twp, Middlesex Co. Ontario</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show">My response:</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">You
can confirm that family lore by visiting the census records. I had a
quick look on </span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i><span class="text_exposed_show"> <a href="http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-713921-10623042" target="_blank">Ancestry.com</a><img border="0" src="http://www.tqlkg.com/image-713921-10623042" height="1" width="1" /> </span></i></span> and found John and Johanna in Caradoc, Middlesex County in 1871. Living next door were John
Harrington and wife Jane and family. John Harrington and Johanna are quite possibly
siblings. </span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">In the 1861 Agricultural census John Barry and John </span></span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">Harrington</span></span></span></span> are shown
sharing (50 acres each) Lot 1 Conc. 8 in Caradoc. In 1881 Michael </span></span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">Barry</span></span></span></span>,
Johanna </span></span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">Barry</span></span></span></span> and James </span></span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">Barry</span></span></span></span> live next door to John Harrington and family. No doubt John Barry died between 1871 and 1881. </span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$text1:0:$0:0">You need to get the images
for all these records and study the neighbours, occupations of individuals etc. For eg
John Barry and John Harrington are noted as farmers - that means they likely bought
land and your next step would be to check the CLRI *and* the Abstract
Indexes to Deeds for more information on their land purchases! For help
with the CLRI and the AI to D, see </span><a class="" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range1:0" dir="ltr" href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml" rel="" target="_blank">http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml</a></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span class="text_exposed_show"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0">The death certificate of a daughter of John Harrington and Jane gives Jane's maiden name as Barry. </span></span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703539421206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703581711206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:0"></span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703581711206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703581711206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".gk.1:3:1:$comment10152703353896206_10152703581711206:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">It looks like siblings
married siblings. It seems you have a lot of records available to help you put these families together and learn more about them</span></span></span></span></span></span> </span><br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-59959032226844020642014-10-08T13:00:00.000-04:002014-10-08T13:00:00.064-04:00Start with Census and Vital Registrations <span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Patricia asked this question <i>"I am in search of Archie Angle who lived near Moulton Station in the
early 1920'2 he was married to Lucretia Putnam, who is my grandmother's
sister we have been the library in Dunnville and to the town records in
Cayuga nothing turned up we would like to know his date of birth, date
of death and where he is buried please"</i></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">First3 Results for search of Archie Angle in Ontario 1900-1950</span></td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">My answer: <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0"> </span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Patricia - If
you go to <a href="http://familysearch.org/" target="_blank">FamilySearch.org</a> and search for <b>Archie Angle living in
Ontario 1900-1950</b> you will find his birth (with parents'
names), and several census records with spouse Lucretia. There's a lot
there for Archie and it will take you back a few generations. Follow the
onlne census records and the birth, marriage and death records.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".dr.1:3:1:$comment826168630738823_826175670738119:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">As an example Archie is found as a single man in the 1901 census (with his parents Archie & Lucretia) You can also find his father's death with parents' names, also his father and mother's marriage- so you can jump back 3 generations very quickly and easily. </span></span></span></span><br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-2793127594460333532014-08-11T15:30:00.000-04:002014-08-11T15:30:00.492-04:00When Family Lore Leads You Astray<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;"><tbody>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">TWISS family on Ship Peruvian September 1888</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Olive Tree Genealogy had an interesting question from Shannah about her grandfather. My findings point out the need to take family lore with a grain of salt and don't accept it as gospel. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Here is Shannah's email:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br /></span>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>I have been trying to find out where my Grfa., TWISS, William
James, had "landed" for over ten years, to no avail, from Cty. Cork,
Ireland to New York, USA.. He was a mere 17 year old, at the time. </i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i><br /></i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>The story I was told was that it was my Grfa. who
had left Cork, Ireland, from Sept. to December of 1887 (I believe these
are the months) on the Barque Julia, from Edinburough to Cork and to New
York. This particular Barque was a ship of supplies and the Captain
was a friend of my Gr-Grpars., TWISS, Francis Edward Day, Sr.. It was
my Grfa. who had suggested that he, himself, come out to Canada, first
and they allowed it but he must go with someone they knew. It was only a
few days' trip and have researched into several ports along the eastern
coast to no avail. When he had landed, he had stayed with friends of
his pars., (never knew who they were) Francis Edward Day and Ellen
THOMPSON, in New York for a while then travelled up into BINBROOK,
Wentworth Cty., Ontario, Canada to stay with our cousins/family there
while his own pars. arrived through Montreal, Quebec, Canada in the
following springtime.</i></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">First I made a mental summary of the important statements in Shannah's email:</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">1. William James Twiss born ca 1870 Ireland immigrated to N. America on the ship Julia in 1887</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">2. William's parents Francis Edward Day & Ellen Twiss sailed to Montreal Quebec in spring of 1888</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Making a mental note of these statements does not mean I accepted them as fact. It was obvious they were family lore passed on through the generations.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Curious about what I found for Shannah? The rest of the story is at <a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/2014/08/dont-let-family-lore-lead-you-astray.html" target="_blank">http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/2014/08/dont-let-family-lore-lead-you-astray.html</a> </span>Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-561162280870397072014-05-16T16:24:00.000-04:002014-05-16T16:24:00.550-04:00Clues You Can Find in a Census Record<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Bonnie recently asked Olive Tree Genealogy this question about her ancestors:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br /></span>
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<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>I have recently found my Grandmother listed on the 1901 Ontario Census
in the township of Wroxeter in Huron County. She was born on August 5,
1899. Her parents were George J Harris and Agnes J Harris born Jan 3,
1875 and Sept 21, 1877 respectively. I was hoping to find where George
and Agnes were born, and when their families emigrated and from where?
We know very little about the Harris side of the family so I was very
excited to see this much!</i></span></blockquote>
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Dear
Bonnie - It is easy to overlook clues that are in a record. For
instance ONE census record can often provide a great many new facts and
clues to work on. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><u><b>FACTS FROM THE CENSUS IMAGE</b></u></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><b>First</b> let me
show you some important facts I think you may have overlooked on that
1901 census. A look at the online image shows that George was born in
Ontario and his wife Agnes in the USA. Agnes gives her year of
immigration from America to Canada as 1881.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">This means you can
search the Ontario birth registrations to find who George's parents
were. You also know that it is quite likely George and Agnes were
married in Ontario so I'd start looking at Ontario marriage records.
This should give you both sets of parents' names for the bride and the
groom.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><b>Secondly</b>,
Wroxeter is not the township where the couple lived. It is a village in
Howick Township, Huron County. The census images clearly indicates
Wroxeter Village and a quick search online reveals the township it is
in.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">Continue reading at </span><br />
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<a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.ca/2013/11/clues-you-can-find-in-census-record.html">Clues You Can Find in a Census Record! </a></h3>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> </span>Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-1911155006502683882014-03-15T18:15:00.001-04:002014-03-15T18:15:39.577-04:00Help Finding a Van Slyke from New York<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Bill asked Olive Tree Genealogy for help.<br />
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<i>I believe that my family could be a descendent of the Vanslyke Family .
My Great grandmother was Edith Vanslyke and she did in 1900 giving
birth to my grandmother. They were from the Rome, itica area. Edith
Married Franklin Henry Batchelor
(Bathcheller). Name change. Also From Rome N.Y. If there is any
correlation to this I would appricate anyinfomation that you may have
or pictures if that is the case. </i></blockquote>
Although I have written <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/published.shtml" target="_blank">3 books on the Van Slyke family</a>, I do not have Edith in my database as she is not far enough back in time. My books start in the early 17th century and end in the early to mid 19th century. <br />
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But I decided to have a quick look on Ancestry to see if I could find a bit more on Bill's great grandmother Edith Van Slyke. The 1900 census for the Bronx New York reveals her name was Edith M. Van Slyke and she was born ca February 1864 in New York. [<a href="http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-713921-10623042" target="_blank">Ancestry.com</a><img border="0" src="http://www.tqlkg.com/image-713921-10623042" height="1" width="1" />
. <i>1900 United States Federal Census</i> [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004]<br />
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Edith and Franklin were married circa 1883 so she should be found in the 1880 and 1870 census records. Since I had her death year I looked on FindAGrave and found her burial in Rome, Oneida County New York. She is listed as Edith Marie Van Slyke, daughter of Elias E. and Mary Van Slyke.<br />
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More searches of the online census records reveal a 16 year old Edith M. Van Slyke daughter of Elias E and Mary in the 1880 census for Rome, Oneida County New York.<br />
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Following Elias Van Slyke, born ca 1838 in New York, we find him with his parents Sylvanus Van Slyke and Maria living in Whitestown Oneida New York in 1850 and Rome New York in 1860. Sylvanus was born ca 1813 and in the 1850, 1860, and 1870 census he is recorded as a shoemaker born in New York. However the 1880 census puts his place of birth as Pennsylvania.<br />
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This should be enough to jump start Bill in his quest. Hopefully we can link Edith to either Cornelis Van Slyke who arrived in <a href="http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/" target="_blank">New Netherland</a> (present day New York) on <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nnship47.shtml" target="_blank">De Eendracht</a> in 1634 or his nephew Willem Van Slyke who sailed to New Netherland on <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nnship32.shtml" target="_blank">De Trouw</a> in 1660. I am lucky enough to be descended from both Cornelis and his nephew.<br />
<span style="font-family: Times,"Times New Roman",serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Times,"Times New Roman",serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">My books on the <a href="http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/books/purchasevs.shtml" target="_blank">Van Slyke family</a> are available as:<b><br /></b></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times,"Times New Roman",serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>The Van Slyke Family in
America: A Genealogy of Cornelise Antonissen Van Slyke, 1604-1676 and
his Mohawk Wife Ots-Toch , including the story of Jacques Hertel,
1603-1651, Father of Ots-Toch and Interpreter to Samuel de Champlain </b> <b>REVISED EDITION</b> published 2010. 287 pages. 8.5x11, coil bound. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Times,"Times New Roman",serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /><b>New Netherland Settlers:
Willem Pieterse Van Slyke aka Neef - A genealogy to five generations of
the descendants of Willem Pieterse Van Slyke who settled in New
Netherland (New York) in 1660. </b>published 2005. 198 pages. 8.5x11, coil bound.</span></span><br />
<br />Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-33711392721783683132014-01-23T16:11:00.000-05:002014-01-23T16:11:38.575-05:00How to Find Someone after Arrival USA 1903<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;">An email from a Norwegian researcher arrived today in Olive Tree Genealogy's mailbox</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"><i>My name is Silje . I need some help to find the family of my
husbands great great grandfather. He left Norway in 1903 true Liverpool
UK and came to port of New York, USA 10 of september 1903 with a ship
called Aurenia. His name at the records I found at Ellis Island was
Theodor Olson he is born in 1870 in Norway. The ships manifest says that
he was going to St Paul but I dont know. The family never heard from
him. He left a wife and 3 children in Norway. Hope to find some
relatives who migth have some info about him.</i></span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> Silje - since Theodor arrived in America in 1903 you should look for him in the 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1940 census records. These are all freely available at <a href="http://familysearch.org/" target="_blank">FamilySearch</a></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;"> The ships manifest shows that he is heading to his brother-in-law so I would also look for him in the census records. As a side note it appears the ship name is <i>Aurania</i> in case you are referring to it in future. </span><br />
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Olive Tree Genealogyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02381110998759242462noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6044799906733098528.post-17436009230040931832013-07-26T14:07:00.000-04:002013-07-26T14:07:00.347-04:00So Many Clues You Can Follow to Find an Ancestor's Immigration in USA or Canada<h3 class="post-title entry-title" itemprop="name">
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Because my answer covers so many generic research <span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">suggestions</span></span> I thought it might be helpful to post it here. I have edited the query as follows:<br />
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>Dear Olive Tree,</i></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>I need assistance locating
immigration/migration records for my gr-gr-grandfather Henry Arthur
Bolton and my gr-gr-grandmother Emily Meyrick.</i></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>The
problem is, I don't know exactly when Henry immigrated to Canada from
England, or when he migrated from Canada to the United States. In
the US census records his immigration date changes; 1900 census states
1875, 1910 census states 1871, 1920 census states 1872.</i></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>What
I do know is he married Emily Jane Meyrick on October 14 1886 is
Worcester Massachusetts. His marriage record states his parents names
as George and Elizabeth. At the time of his marriage his age is listed
as 25. </i></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>He died in Massachusetts May 14, 1942 (My grandmother was 19 years old)</i></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span>Hello
Hillary - The first thing that jumps out at me in your query is that
immigration date for Henry. That date does not likely refer to his
immigration to Canada but rather into the USA. So if he was first in
Canada for a period of time, the year he crossed the border to USA is
almost certainly what is being referred to. (immigration years 1871,
1872, 1875)</span></span></span><br />
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