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Showing posts with label Castle Garden. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Castle Garden. Show all posts

Wednesday, January 6, 2010

How to Find the Port of Departure on a Ships Passenger List

Sharon asked
I'm interested in finding out what port of departure my
great grandparents came from when they came to America in
March, 1888. They left Alsace Lorraine--Cologne, France
(at that time) and port of arrival was on March 17, 1888 in
Castle Garden.

AskOlive Answer: Sharon, if you have the passenger list for your ancestors, all you need to do is go to the first page of the list (manifest). That page shows details - Captain's name, date of departure, port of departure and so on. I use
Ancestry.com for their complete ships passenger lists but you may have access elsewhere.

Just as a little correction to your query - Castle Garden was not a "PORT". It was a processing station for immigrants used between 1855 and 1890 for ships sailing into the port of New York.

Wednesday, September 2, 2009

Finding an ancestor in Castle Garden Ships Passenger Lists

Geralynn's Question:
I just found out that my Grandparents came through Castle Gardens from Hungary. How can I find any info?
   
Olive Tree Answer: Geralynn, you haven't said what information you are looking for - a ships passenger list? I'll assume that's it.

Castle Garden existed as a processing station for immigrants between 1855 and 1890. There is no separate set of records for Castle Garden, as there is for Ellis Island.

Passenger lists for the Castle Garden time period are available on microfilm so if you know a date of arrival or a ship name you can order the microfilm or have NARA do a lookup for you.

Check the complete list of film numbers (NARA or FHC) for ships going to New York after 1820. Find your date(year, month, day if known) and write down the NARA or Family History Centre film number you need

You can also search the online Castle Garden era Ships Passenger Lists on Ancestry.com

There is a Castle Garden website but beware! It is not complete and it includes ports of arrival other than New York (Castle Garden). These are not noted as such so it can be a bit confusing

For more help with this see Castle Garden:Ships Passenger Lists to New York 1 Aug.1855 - 18 Apr. 1890

Thursday, February 5, 2009

When was the Barge Office used for Ships Arriving in New York?

Linda asked:
I remember looking for folks coming into New York, and there being a 3rd entry port called the BARGE Office, can you elaborate, Did this one port exists before Castle Garden and or Ellis Island?

Olive Tree Answer:
From 15 June 1897 to 16 Dec. 1900 the processing station was the Barge Office. Go here for more information on Ellis Island

There is also a nice little chart showing a detailed timeline for Immigrant Processing Stations at the Port of New York from 1624 to 1924 found at Ships Passenger Lists to New York

Sunday, January 25, 2009

Looking for an ancestor from Germany to New York to Galveston Texas

On Jan 4, 2009 Yvonne in Kansas asked:
My ancestor Willm Jacobs Tammen b. 17 FEb 1850, Eversmeer Ostfriesland Germany, arrived in America at Galveston, TX in Oct 1890. with his wife Hauke Wina Decker Tammen and six children. They took a train to Wichita Falls and live there the rest of their life. The 'family' story is that they arrived at New York on 'the big boat' and transferred to a 'cattle boat' for the trip to Galveston. I have searched all the records of Castle Garden in New York and have not found them also the Galveston Ships lists do not mention them. I would like to find what ship (s) they traveled on and the dates they arrived in New York and Galveston. Or when and where they left in Germany. I feel that I will have to find a record on the German side. Where do I go from here.

MY ANSWER: Yvonne, it sounds like you have done a lot of research and kept track of the family lore. One thing to make note of is that the Galveston Ships Passenger Lists don't include passengers who transferred en route. So that means if your Tammen family came in to any other port first, then on to Galveston Texas, they will not be on the incoming Galveston Manifest.

You would have to look for them in the main port they arrived at. If your family story is of a New York arrival, you may want to search there first. You can always expand your search to other ports of arrival if you need to. You mention checking Castle Garden records. It's important to note that Castle Garden existed as a processing station for immigrants between 1 August 1855 and 18 April 1890. So after 18th April, it was no longer Castle Garden.

Passenger lists for the Castle Garden time period (and beyond) are available on microfilm and online at Ancestry.com

Another point to mention is that there are a few problems with some of the New York passenger lists. In general from about June 15th 1897 until March or April 1903, the lists for first class and second class passengers were not collected at Ellis Island
and do not survive, so therefore will not appear on microfilm, nor in the Ellis Island online database. I know this may be too late for your Tammen family arrival but it's something to keep in mind. Marian Smith has written several articles on the Missing Manifest problem on her blog

Was your ancestor naturalized? The 1900, 1910 ,1920 and 1930 census identify citizenship status, with notations showing the individual was an Alien, or had started the Naturalization process or had his final papers. I see that in the 1900 census he had his first papers (PA in the column for citizenship details) so you can have a hunt for those. If you check 1910 it will tell if he is naturalized by then. You can read more about the value of census records in your search for an immigrant ancestor on the website NaturalizationRecords.com

Last but not least, you could research all the children. Since they were all born in Germany there is a chance that an obituary might provide more details on their immigration to America.

I'm also curious what your source is for the arrival date you gave of October 1890. Depending on the accuracy of the source, the date may not be correct. For example if you found this date on a census record, you cannot trust it to be correct. Immigration and Naturalization years are often mis-remembered so you should always search a year or two on either side. I saw that in the 1900 census, Willm has a date of immigration of 1890 but you should be searching in a wider range unless you have other evidence showing that year.

If you want to respond to my answer, please post it as a comment here on the blog and I'll try to help further if possible